By Ann Cooper
In May, Carol Tannenhauser told the story of how she and her husband Bobby came to own West Side Rag in early 2022. Carol and Bobby continued the Rag’s tradition of allowing readers to post comments at the bottom of each story, but they added something new to the process: a dedicated comment moderator, who plowed through all 22,000 comments written last year, publishing most, but not all of them.
That moderator – the guy some of you love to complain about when your comments don’t get posted – is co-owner Bobby Tannenhauser, who also runs the business side of the Rag.
I talked with Bobby recently about the moderator’s job, and he described several things that can prompt him to block a comment. Often, he said, the writer just goes on way too long, ignoring the 100-word maximum set in the “leave a comment” note at the end of each story. “Some people, they’re writing term papers,” he said.
Or the writer ignores the “leave a comment” note’s admonishment to “keep them civil.” Insulting another commenter or the author of the article will definitely get you blocked, Tannenhauser told me.
“You can criticize an article, but I’m not going to publish insulting comments,” he said. Nor will Tannenhauser publish comments where “somebody tries to say something is factual, but it’s opinion.”
And then there are these occasions: “You’re being screened because that was an extremely racist comment!” he said.
Don’t expect to hear from Tannenhauser which of those reasons got your comment blocked. It’s not that he refuses to say. It’s that the comment system is based on anonymity; you have to give an email address and screen name when you write, but you can make up both (a sampling of names used by commenters: UWS Dad, Rock Guitar, Wendy, Michael, anon, and West Sixties). So an email sent to a commenter might be seen by an actual person – or it might just land in a black hole.
There’s another reason why you’re not likely to hear from Tannenhauser.
“When I get up in the morning, there’s probably 25 comments” waiting to be read, and then either published or blocked, he said. Carol, co-owner and editor, sends out an email newsletter midday, prompting another flurry of comments, and “Then, after dinner, it picks back up again.” Since the beginning of this year Tannenhauser has monitored 12,000 comments and published “maybe 60%” of them. Last year, he handled a total of 22,000 comments – an impressive number, but not the record 30,000 that readers wrote in 2020, when many were homebound by the pandemic.
Tannenhauser’s resume – retired lawyer and businessman – does not suggest a career leading to comment content moderation. He acknowledged that he never wrote a comment on a Rag story before he and Carol became co-owners; in fact “I hardly ever read the Rag.”
When he did begin reading the Rag and its readers’ comments in 2022, he was dismayed. “Some of the people were so nasty. And some people were so long-winded. And it was the same 10 or 12 commenters all the time,” said Tannenhauser.
There is still plenty of snark in the contributions of some commenters, but “We’re not getting as many racist comments. And we’re not getting as many comments insulting other commenters,” he said. “A lot of them have stopped commenting because I just keep trashing them.”
Tannenhauser says he sees more names now than the 10-12 who took up most of the comment space in the past. But there’s still a core group of several dozen who dominate with their frequent comments, and Tannenhauser would like to hear from more – particularly commenters who can add to the Rag’s reporting. Recently, for example, when the Rag ran stories using city government information on the locations of Upper West Side public restrooms and swimming pools, readers were quick to post corrections in the comments columns (some venues the city said were open actually were closed), enabling the Rag to follow up with more up-to-date information.
Does reading thousands of reader comments – some of them nasty, some of them racist – take a psychological toll, I asked Tannenhauser.
“I don’t let it get to me,” he said. “It’s the same psychological toll listening to the news every night. If you get crazy about the same stuff going over and over again, how can you live your life?”
Next week: In recent years many news organizations have ended comments sections on their websites, citing increasingly nasty discourse and diminishing resources to moderate the comments. I asked moderator Bobby Tannenhauser if the Rag will follow suit.
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Thanks for the efforts, Bob.
If a comment is being screened and is then not posted, the people in the article should advise the poster. And categorize the reason. I rarely comment, but when I do it’s for a good reason. It would be nice to know why those comments disappear. Or the comments section should be closed if the monitors cannot either review the comments or don’t want comments or have decided they’ve posed enough on that post.
It’s a hard enough job already. The comment moderator isn’t here to educate you on how to write better comments.
Thank You Bobby!!! We Need More Civility Police These Days!!! I Love To Comment…. I’ve Never Had One Blocked…
Hi Tannenhausers! Deeply impressed by loyalty of West Side Rag readers. You’ve modeled what local community broadsheets are –at their best. I am a regular reader–love that Anya S. is writing, and Ann Cooper and Tracy Zwick! Am interested in your business model, with admiration, KvH
That cannot be a nice job, Bob, but it makes a better read for us.
You are doing a great job and a wonderful public service, Bobby — thank you!
Thank you Bob!
We could use all 100 words but these three are the most important here.
He goes beyond nasty and censors comments he doesn’t agree with.
your comment made it to the public, just saying
I ALWAYS see comments on both sides of an issue, so that’s obviously not true. And I’m sure he disagrees with this comment but he published it.
Really appreciate this window into your comment moderator role and challenges and the work you conscientiously perform to keep these posted comments civil, relevant and short.
With all respect: I have, on a couple of occasions, submitted critical but completely civil comments and been denied publication. Again, respectfully, I do believe there is some political bias with regards to what comments get published.
I agree with this. I am truly appreciate of the work done by the operators of WSR – overall they do an excellent job.
But the moderation is wildly inconsistent. I have had several comments that were not controversial rejected. Yes, I can be a bit snarky at times, but this is the UWS – people can handle it – I am careful to generally not go over the line. And meanwhile more offensive posts often get through, and those tend to be the more left-leaning ones (I am a moderate, anti-MAGA, Democrat – well to the left of most of America but to the right of the UWS).
The 100 word rule is very inconsistently enforced as well.
And if someone writes to correct a post or something similar, one comment reflecting the correction is sufficient. I understand why there is a lag in publishing comments so a lot of people will think they are the only one responding, when in reality many have. You only need to publish one.
Thanks again.
Bobby is perfect as the Rag’s comment moderator. I’m an upper eastsider and must admit I enjoy reading the comments as much as the articles! Thx.
Agree with several others here. If the Rag wants to edit their comments in line with their political bias, that’s their choice, but I am edited rather frequently and I’m not racist and don’t have the time to be long winded.
Editing comments in line with political bias is not acceptable for a news organization like the Rag.
Thanks, Bobby T. Your moderation helps keep the comments civil, balanced and fun to read.
Great job, Bobby. This role can be quite onerous as I have done similar jobs in the past myself. Having comments on wsr is a great feature and can be quite informative as commenters can suggest other options like discussing new restaurants or sources of information like historical sources. Also, I agree that you don’t need to respond / explain as to why you decided to reject a particular comment – standards are clear. If anyone objects, they should suggest as to how standards should be described better. Keep up an awesome job!
The 1st Amendment is the most fundamental right of Americans, however it has never been in more danger. Censorship is a cancer in this nation. Racism is not a coverall term for any opinion that is different from yours. This post is not long, racist or hateful. For the sake of democracy approve this and let people make their own opinion.
The West Side Rag is not the government. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.
The First Amendment unfortunately does not apply to private entities. It did not even apply to state governments taking away free speech rights until Gitlow vs. New York was decided in 1926.
This is why I love the Rag! Thoughtfulness, civility, and commitment. The potential for rebuilding community is huge if everyone takes a page out of your book. Bobby and Carol, you are solid gold.
Thanks WSR.
But continually baffling and troubling that here we are in 2024 – and yet quite a few commenters still use accusatory “finger-pointing” an/or sweeping labeling language when they disagree.
Language that would not work at work, with friends, with family.
Perhaps WSR can publish some best practice suggestions for phrasing disagreement politely?
https://englishlive.ef.com/en/blog/english-in-the-real-world/five-useful-ways-disagree-politely-english/
I think a more lucrative and less arduous job might be as follows:
Slaying the Nemean lion
Slaying the nine-headed Lernaean Hydra
Capturing the Ceryneian Hind
Capturing the Erymanthian Boar
Cleaning the Augean stables in a single day
Slaying the Stymphalian birds
Capturing the Cretan Bull
Stealing the Mares of Diomedes
Obtaining the girdle of Hippolyta, queen of the Amazons
Obtaining the cattle of the three-bodied giant Geryon
Stealing three of the golden apples of the Hesperides
Capturing and bringing back Cerberus
Ha ha yes, not to mention perhaps feeling like the guy condemned to have his liver pecked out every day, and/or Sisyphus with the endless uphill boulder? I don’t envy Bob! Many thanks for the efforts – and yes, perfection in content moderation is neither possible not required for those efforts to very be much appreciated!
Wow, 40% of comments are rejected! At least.
Why not modify the comments submission box so that it limits the number of words or characters that can be submitted? That might make the moderation process faster and easier.
The anti-bike agenda of the WSR is just as clear as Streetsblog’s anti-cars/trucks agenda in our cityscape. SB does call themselves a blog. It is also worth noting that as annoying as the current lack of order is on the streets of NYC. Fatality rates for pedestrians from 4+ wheels vs. 2/< wheels hovers consistently at the magnitude of 100 to 1 year after year in NYC.
I have a question for my Upper West Side neighbors in 10023-10024. For years there was a homeless man who was usually seen going through garbage cans on 79th and Broadway. He occasionally slept in front of Victoria’s Secret, and my daughter and I gave him the nick-name “sneaker guy” because he always had numerous sneakers tied around his neck, which swung as he moved. His hair was matted except on the very rare occasions when he was taken by the authorities, who cleaned him up and gave him a nice haircut. I haven’t seen him in several years. I didn’t venture out much during Covid but he seems to have disappeared and I think of him and wonder if he’s ok. Does anybody else remember him or know his whereabouts?
Go, Bobby Tannenhauser! Great job 🙂